sanjay
04-09 03:35 PM
No change. Wohi purani kahaani. Old wine in new bottle.
Would start looking for June now. But, won't expect any thing good until August 2010.
Would start looking for June now. But, won't expect any thing good until August 2010.
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sweet_jungle
10-25 06:22 PM
no comments on the above ?? I do support the FOIA .but when you think about it ..what is the point in knowing that our GC's are 3-4 years away ...we should also focus on something getting passed during lame duck session ..at the very least we should be prepared for something incase it is suddenly announced that there will be lame duck session after elections ...any thoughts ??
Can somebody re-post the link for downloading the form I need to fax?
Can somebody re-post the link for downloading the form I need to fax?
chanduv23
07-13 07:18 AM
That is America my friends - people tend to move towards the direction of the wind.
A typical example - my wife was stressing out to get into a residency and was seeking help from contacts - everyone told "it is not easy for immigrants" it is a challenge, it is difficult." When she got into residency, the same people say that America is a land of opportunities, and your wife is intelligent ......
Thats how this Sheela Murthy is. Cannot initiate anything, but will want to take credit for participating in success.
A lot of Attorneys currently have no clue what is going on in the background.
A typical example - my wife was stressing out to get into a residency and was seeking help from contacts - everyone told "it is not easy for immigrants" it is a challenge, it is difficult." When she got into residency, the same people say that America is a land of opportunities, and your wife is intelligent ......
Thats how this Sheela Murthy is. Cannot initiate anything, but will want to take credit for participating in success.
A lot of Attorneys currently have no clue what is going on in the background.
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vagish
04-04 02:40 PM
It is true. But either Corporate America or Lawyers does not want to address the issues raised by Unions or anti immigrants. They want free ride and does not care about working class. No bold leadership in congress to address both sides issues. Congress members are siding with any one of two groups. Everyone knows that compromise will easily pass. But compromise will not give free ride to any group. Basically moderate H1b and GC increase with protection to US workers without wage pressurw will get most of the congress support. Even with illegal immigration also it is easy to pass if they give citizenship to existing people and allow more workers with complete protection to US workers without wage pressure will get most of congress support.
the reason why Mccain and kennedy partnership failed, because kennedy wanted to put the fair wage clause into the bill so that futurue employees can
atleast get the prevaling wages( it makes sense logically ), but republican Mccain didn't like it because they want employer to pay what ever they feel like,
if that happens you will see that in future the quota for low wage workers will also get filled in one day as we saw with H1B's yesterday, and then even 400000 for semiskilled workers would not be enough.
Iam not saying H1B get paid less, but there is lot of abuse going on,
1500000 application just on aptil 2 tell you a lot of things, no matter how much demand is there, it is outrageous.
when american people see that corporate america wants quota less h1B , they going to be on the streets just like illigals were last year.
thanks
the reason why Mccain and kennedy partnership failed, because kennedy wanted to put the fair wage clause into the bill so that futurue employees can
atleast get the prevaling wages( it makes sense logically ), but republican Mccain didn't like it because they want employer to pay what ever they feel like,
if that happens you will see that in future the quota for low wage workers will also get filled in one day as we saw with H1B's yesterday, and then even 400000 for semiskilled workers would not be enough.
Iam not saying H1B get paid less, but there is lot of abuse going on,
1500000 application just on aptil 2 tell you a lot of things, no matter how much demand is there, it is outrageous.
when american people see that corporate america wants quota less h1B , they going to be on the streets just like illigals were last year.
thanks
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mpadapa
07-01 04:31 PM
Online petition is a great idea. But what will it accomplish?? Ultimately all those questions have to addressed in the form of a bill and that needs to be passed in the Congress. Is it a coincidence, we already have a bill HR5921 addressing those questions raised by OP All we need to do is channel our energy to make this bill along with the other Rep. Lofgren bills a success.
IV is already raising all those questions mentioned in the petition with the lawmakers. So what is new in this petition?
IV is already raising all those questions mentioned in the petition with the lawmakers. So what is new in this petition?
reddymjm
10-15 01:31 PM
do that and as a backlash, the PDs will go back to 1800! after that even if u send the whole garden they won't be current again:D
I hate flower campaigns. If we do one more for sure it will go to 1900 if not 1800.
I hate flower campaigns. If we do one more for sure it will go to 1900 if not 1800.
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ArkBird
04-06 07:25 PM
Again, What was POE?
Sure I will give the link..
I know its not fake..because I have 3 people on our floor who came from a visit..who saw these kind of things happening right in front of them (and my friends were GCs so I guess they themselves were left alone).
Now coming to point of posting their experiences themselves..especially in a situation where they were not allowed to enter US, I dont think they have any incentive left to post and seek help from fellow IV..once they are out they are out..
Nothing can bring them back unless they file a new petition and go for stamping..
I can imagine how much pain they might be going through, touchwood if I was to be one ofthem, I dont see myself posting my experience for 3 months or so..
its a different case where someone is inside US and they face a problem, yeah..why not they post straight away, but this is a different territory..we can only expect them to post, its not going to happen or may be rare case.
Sure I will give the link..
I know its not fake..because I have 3 people on our floor who came from a visit..who saw these kind of things happening right in front of them (and my friends were GCs so I guess they themselves were left alone).
Now coming to point of posting their experiences themselves..especially in a situation where they were not allowed to enter US, I dont think they have any incentive left to post and seek help from fellow IV..once they are out they are out..
Nothing can bring them back unless they file a new petition and go for stamping..
I can imagine how much pain they might be going through, touchwood if I was to be one ofthem, I dont see myself posting my experience for 3 months or so..
its a different case where someone is inside US and they face a problem, yeah..why not they post straight away, but this is a different territory..we can only expect them to post, its not going to happen or may be rare case.
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arsh007
02-13 10:27 AM
First off, you are looking for a bodyshop. A consulting shop. You would be the consultant if you are hired they would be the consulting firm.
There is a website called http://www.desicrunch.com/ (Desi Crunch) that as reviews of most of Indian Consulting shops. Reviews are posted by individuals themselves so they would be reliable.
Other than that you can look on Immigrationportal.com and search the name of the firm you are planning to join to check if there are any bad reviews.
You have to be prepared to handle your job as a consultant and your job in handling your employer. There would be struggle every step of the way. Basics like giving paperwork tied to Immigration like H1, 140, labor is a big task. Mostly they dont want to share even xerox copies so that it becomes almost impossible for you to either switch jobs or retain priority dates. Expect to work at a much lower rate than what you would get as a permenant employee directly working for an American company. Expect to move across the country every few months from project to project, unless you are really really in demand and can get projects in city for longer times. Do not expect moving expenses. You are on your own. Whenever you quit, expect to miss your last 1 or 2 paychecks. They will come up with some excuse not to pay you. If you quit and if there is any bad blood between you and your employer, do not expect any letter of experience that you can use for future EB2 or EB3 Greencard petitions. They wont give you that. If they hire the Immigration lawyer, you will most likely never talk to the lawyer directly. It will be thru your employer only. And information will be presented to you in a way that makes you feel in bad shape and more dependent on the employer. "Your labor is in trouble". "there is an inquiry on your H1, 140". "Lawyer needs another 5,000 to respond to your inquiry or RFE which we would be more than happy to deduct from your paycheck".
If you want to go thru all this, then yes, desi consulting firms would work for you.
Granted that most desi companies follow the business practices described above. However there are some who are really professional, incorporate good business practices and ethics. However not every job or company is perfect. For example consider the following:
1. Large US American Consulting companies (the so called direct vendors) treat you well, have less project travel, pay you on time, provide good benefits and have good business processes. However when the market goes south and you end up with no project for a prolonged period of time then a layoff is imminent. You loose the time invested in GC processing with the company and have to start from scratch. On the contrary a desi company is aware of the immigration dependencies and limitations of H1 holders and firing or layoff of an employee is the last item on their last.
2. US Direct employer is pretty much the same as the direct vendors.
The best option would be to check with friends and networking contacts about a particular desi company before joining. Another suggestion would be to research sites like www.desicrunch.com for additional information.
There is a website called http://www.desicrunch.com/ (Desi Crunch) that as reviews of most of Indian Consulting shops. Reviews are posted by individuals themselves so they would be reliable.
Other than that you can look on Immigrationportal.com and search the name of the firm you are planning to join to check if there are any bad reviews.
You have to be prepared to handle your job as a consultant and your job in handling your employer. There would be struggle every step of the way. Basics like giving paperwork tied to Immigration like H1, 140, labor is a big task. Mostly they dont want to share even xerox copies so that it becomes almost impossible for you to either switch jobs or retain priority dates. Expect to work at a much lower rate than what you would get as a permenant employee directly working for an American company. Expect to move across the country every few months from project to project, unless you are really really in demand and can get projects in city for longer times. Do not expect moving expenses. You are on your own. Whenever you quit, expect to miss your last 1 or 2 paychecks. They will come up with some excuse not to pay you. If you quit and if there is any bad blood between you and your employer, do not expect any letter of experience that you can use for future EB2 or EB3 Greencard petitions. They wont give you that. If they hire the Immigration lawyer, you will most likely never talk to the lawyer directly. It will be thru your employer only. And information will be presented to you in a way that makes you feel in bad shape and more dependent on the employer. "Your labor is in trouble". "there is an inquiry on your H1, 140". "Lawyer needs another 5,000 to respond to your inquiry or RFE which we would be more than happy to deduct from your paycheck".
If you want to go thru all this, then yes, desi consulting firms would work for you.
Granted that most desi companies follow the business practices described above. However there are some who are really professional, incorporate good business practices and ethics. However not every job or company is perfect. For example consider the following:
1. Large US American Consulting companies (the so called direct vendors) treat you well, have less project travel, pay you on time, provide good benefits and have good business processes. However when the market goes south and you end up with no project for a prolonged period of time then a layoff is imminent. You loose the time invested in GC processing with the company and have to start from scratch. On the contrary a desi company is aware of the immigration dependencies and limitations of H1 holders and firing or layoff of an employee is the last item on their last.
2. US Direct employer is pretty much the same as the direct vendors.
The best option would be to check with friends and networking contacts about a particular desi company before joining. Another suggestion would be to research sites like www.desicrunch.com for additional information.
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ysnraju
04-22 11:26 AM
In my Opinion all non-immigrant s require to get the comprehensive conclusion on the STRIVE Act first before going through.
STRIVE Act is to reform the deficiencies in current Immigration policies so that it streamlines the immigration process and makes easy for the immigrants to join their families and also make the kids of non-immigrants who were bought to this country of not their knowledge/ choice able to work �
If the immigration process is proper there is no requirement for the people to come here and work illegally. Under new work process this illegal immigration can be resolved is the Point brought through these STRIVE Act.
Some of IV members getting to these meetings and keep saying I am legal and not able to get visa because there is no visa numbers available. It directly implicates that if there are Visa numbers available we are not here to support this.
In reality that is true if you happen to see the people who already went through the process, they always say/wonder why they are making the process so simple. In some occasions when the Labor certification process is made premium processing the questions/comments raised by GC holders is, why they are making this process so simple/ OO they are giving the LC just like that etc. once the GC is in hand no one will talk about anything.
Off these so called 12 million Illegal people can make the country aware of these problems in one moment and they can make the country stand still by calling a day or more off the work. In other hand, we so called high skilled immigrants (prefer calling high labor) they never, able to make this aware off. Not able to call a single day off the work. Even if they do they will make sure that nothing feels the absence giving automate script etc. Under legal doing illegal work is this high labor. Take consensus and you will find at least higher percentage will say they are always work more than 40 hrs a week. Which does legally illegal work? In other hand illegal but doing legal work in this country is the illegal immigrants they work for by hour and if they work an hour extra they collect for that also.
We always want the process from higher level, want to meet Law makers and want them to reform and understand the issue. But always forget the basic the Law makers are made by people. Did we had a chance to make the people understand this? Higher percentage of companies in this country employ immigrants and leaving the few exceptional company at most 10% of the work force in average is immigrants. So did we any time educated the reset of 90% our co-workers? We never do go and ask them they will start ask you what is work visa?
So we never try to make the people around us aware of the issue but we want founds to meet lawmakers, and make them understand. So instead how much you are donating, how many people around you making aware of the issue is better. Did you manage to educate 90% of your company aware of this issue is very important.
If you want really a change, start wearing protest black badge till the law is reformed and start educate the people around to aware of the issue. Possible meet your company top level people and make them aware of. Among these there will be lot of people kids, nieces, nephews, brothers, sisters, spouses, friends of law makers who can chat with them without appointment. Of these there are many hidden people who can pull the strings in so many unknown ways. At that point you are not half million your strength is multiplied people are aware of this.
Of the all my request is please do not behave that Visa numbers are not available so I am here. Do not put the behavior before Gate Pass something and after the Pass what is this type.
STRIVE Act is to reform the deficiencies in current Immigration policies so that it streamlines the immigration process and makes easy for the immigrants to join their families and also make the kids of non-immigrants who were bought to this country of not their knowledge/ choice able to work �
If the immigration process is proper there is no requirement for the people to come here and work illegally. Under new work process this illegal immigration can be resolved is the Point brought through these STRIVE Act.
Some of IV members getting to these meetings and keep saying I am legal and not able to get visa because there is no visa numbers available. It directly implicates that if there are Visa numbers available we are not here to support this.
In reality that is true if you happen to see the people who already went through the process, they always say/wonder why they are making the process so simple. In some occasions when the Labor certification process is made premium processing the questions/comments raised by GC holders is, why they are making this process so simple/ OO they are giving the LC just like that etc. once the GC is in hand no one will talk about anything.
Off these so called 12 million Illegal people can make the country aware of these problems in one moment and they can make the country stand still by calling a day or more off the work. In other hand, we so called high skilled immigrants (prefer calling high labor) they never, able to make this aware off. Not able to call a single day off the work. Even if they do they will make sure that nothing feels the absence giving automate script etc. Under legal doing illegal work is this high labor. Take consensus and you will find at least higher percentage will say they are always work more than 40 hrs a week. Which does legally illegal work? In other hand illegal but doing legal work in this country is the illegal immigrants they work for by hour and if they work an hour extra they collect for that also.
We always want the process from higher level, want to meet Law makers and want them to reform and understand the issue. But always forget the basic the Law makers are made by people. Did we had a chance to make the people understand this? Higher percentage of companies in this country employ immigrants and leaving the few exceptional company at most 10% of the work force in average is immigrants. So did we any time educated the reset of 90% our co-workers? We never do go and ask them they will start ask you what is work visa?
So we never try to make the people around us aware of the issue but we want founds to meet lawmakers, and make them understand. So instead how much you are donating, how many people around you making aware of the issue is better. Did you manage to educate 90% of your company aware of this issue is very important.
If you want really a change, start wearing protest black badge till the law is reformed and start educate the people around to aware of the issue. Possible meet your company top level people and make them aware of. Among these there will be lot of people kids, nieces, nephews, brothers, sisters, spouses, friends of law makers who can chat with them without appointment. Of these there are many hidden people who can pull the strings in so many unknown ways. At that point you are not half million your strength is multiplied people are aware of this.
Of the all my request is please do not behave that Visa numbers are not available so I am here. Do not put the behavior before Gate Pass something and after the Pass what is this type.
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truthinspector
04-08 07:10 AM
I don't understand the IO calling Client part. What if (like most of us do) the person was traveling on a weekend? Is the client supposed to be on call for the IO?Besides, even if it is so, answering NO to that question implies fraud on behalf of the Client too.
I know a person who was sent back; IO called the end client to verify his employment and asked if they could hire american worker instead, when the employer said they could, IO sent him back. I think they are only going after H1's working for smaller consulting companies.
You may write it off as a rumor, so be it, but IV needs to step in and take necessary action.
I know a person who was sent back; IO called the end client to verify his employment and asked if they could hire american worker instead, when the employer said they could, IO sent him back. I think they are only going after H1's working for smaller consulting companies.
You may write it off as a rumor, so be it, but IV needs to step in and take necessary action.
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ashwin_27
06-13 12:10 AM
If this has not been done already..a good idea might be to spread this message among the hundreds of International Student (including Indian/Chinese) associations. They are already having trouble entering as graduates into a tough job market and this anti-H1B proposal will only make things worse...no additional incentive for students to join this IV initiative. I will forward to my alma mater and couple of other student associations I am aware of.
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eb3_nepa
04-10 08:07 AM
Instead of letting members open 4 different threads, it is best that IV core itself opens the thread in RED so that it catches people's eyes and they post their comments in one spot rather than 4. AND it helps highlight the fact the bulletin is actually out.
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ianlock
09-12 11:34 AM
Hi,
I carnt make it to the DC Rally, as i am in the UK, but this morning i sent the Channel 4 News desk an email explaining our plight in the hope that they might cover the DC rally and get you guys some air time, i also sent the same email to the ITN news desk, so you never know you might be on TV over here.
Hope this counts as a contribution. ???
Regards
Ian lock
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I carnt make it to the DC Rally, as i am in the UK, but this morning i sent the Channel 4 News desk an email explaining our plight in the hope that they might cover the DC rally and get you guys some air time, i also sent the same email to the ITN news desk, so you never know you might be on TV over here.
Hope this counts as a contribution. ???
Regards
Ian lock
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08-10 01:51 PM
I am in for it.
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dish
07-02 09:59 AM
Is Green Card numbers allocated beginning of every quarter. USCIS Fiscal year runs from october 1st to sept 30th.So for July being the start 4th quarter of the FY 07 shouldn't USCIS be allocating visa numbers in JULY. They cannot use up all the visa numbers for the FY 07 before july, Am I right ?
Supposing USCIS retrogresses PDs to 2001 or 2002, why not we push more for grabbing the wasted Green Card numbers in the prior years.
Supposing USCIS retrogresses PDs to 2001 or 2002, why not we push more for grabbing the wasted Green Card numbers in the prior years.
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greencard_fever
04-06 07:38 PM
Please send him this link
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24126&page=8
He needs to post it himself if he wants to come back and if the story is true.
We need real people talking about it first hand.
Until then let us stop talking about friend's cases because it causes unnecessary panic. These stories may not be true and just rumors.
Well said pappu..this friends friend and his friend kind of stories causes unnecessary panic to the people who want to travel to India and may also spoil their trip..once they went to India by thinking about the POE rumours..
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24126&page=8
He needs to post it himself if he wants to come back and if the story is true.
We need real people talking about it first hand.
Until then let us stop talking about friend's cases because it causes unnecessary panic. These stories may not be true and just rumors.
Well said pappu..this friends friend and his friend kind of stories causes unnecessary panic to the people who want to travel to India and may also spoil their trip..once they went to India by thinking about the POE rumours..
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xyzgc
01-17 11:56 PM
Got lots of reds as expected. Excuse me for using strong words. I'm sympathetic towards everyone who has lost jobs or fears layoffs. I have weathered the 2001 storm in the valley. It was horrible. However, people buy expensive real estate without obtaining permanent residency first and then start laughing at others for being so conservative. Its utter stupidity. In one of the other threads I was arguing with some one over whether its a good time to buy a house or not. I am totally for buying a house even in these uncertain times provided you are a dual income and provided you have your green card and despite that some folks didn't agree with me at all!
Today, buying hiouses is risky but folks don't realize if you are on H1B, it is a temp visa you are sticking your neck out. Even if you have your EAD, it doesn't mean shit. If your employer revokes your 140 you are more or less doomed, unless you are very lucky. Now, please don't dispute this statement of mine by presenting legal facts.
I look at it this way, your gc is controlled by your employer, you get laid off by your employer, your company has ZERO interest in keeping your job position alive and considering employing you at a future date. Period.
H1B is not green card, EAD is not green card, your PD being current is not a green card.f you think you can transfer your H1 with some consulting firm and retain H1 status on bench, you are playing with fire.
Giving reds to me is not going to change the basic facts. Leaving your cars and your houses behind without paying your dues is the worst crime in the book. It destroys your credibility. Not only that you, main street, are then responsible for mortgage crisis and then you coolly blame the wall street and Mr. Bush for everything that goes wrong.
Today, buying hiouses is risky but folks don't realize if you are on H1B, it is a temp visa you are sticking your neck out. Even if you have your EAD, it doesn't mean shit. If your employer revokes your 140 you are more or less doomed, unless you are very lucky. Now, please don't dispute this statement of mine by presenting legal facts.
I look at it this way, your gc is controlled by your employer, you get laid off by your employer, your company has ZERO interest in keeping your job position alive and considering employing you at a future date. Period.
H1B is not green card, EAD is not green card, your PD being current is not a green card.f you think you can transfer your H1 with some consulting firm and retain H1 status on bench, you are playing with fire.
Giving reds to me is not going to change the basic facts. Leaving your cars and your houses behind without paying your dues is the worst crime in the book. It destroys your credibility. Not only that you, main street, are then responsible for mortgage crisis and then you coolly blame the wall street and Mr. Bush for everything that goes wrong.
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frostrated
09-09 03:09 PM
For those of you thinking that EB3I will move forward once EB2 becomes current in the next year or so, please think again.
There are many EB2 I & C waiting to file their AOS applications. Anyone that missed the 2007 and 2008 windows, are eagerly waiting to file. It is estimated that there are a few thousand primary applicants in EB2 alone, each year from 2007 to 2010.
As a result, it is very unlikely that EB3 I will advance apart from its annual allocation of approximately 2800 visas. At the current rate, it will be three years before EB3 I 2002 is cleared, and many more years for the other years. In the meantime, there will be more applicants in EB2 category, thereby preventing your applications from being approved.
The options that lie before you are the passage of CIR, removal of country limits (which again is invariably tied to CIR), porting to EB2. The only option that is within your control is porting.
I would highly suggest that you use that option rather than rely on a change in law - a law that we have seen being dangled before us like a carrot for the past four years.
If you have been given a promotion or even offered one, take that. Contrary to what someone says about not being able to use experience in your current company, that is wrong to a certain extent. Experience in your current company in your current position cannot be used. But, experience in a different position in the same company can be used as experience to your EB2 status.
Take your promotion, and have the employer file a new labor petition. During the I-140 stage, port your EB3 priority date to your EB2 petition, and pretty much your 485 will be approved along with your 140, if not a few weeks after that (provided your PD is current).
Good luck in your porting. If you decide to wait until EB3I becomes current without porting, you are going to wait for a long time. I would suggest that anyone with a PD of Jan 2003+ to start your porting process. For the others, I'd suggest you wait it out as in the time it takes to do the porting, your 485 in EB3 will be approved.
There are many EB2 I & C waiting to file their AOS applications. Anyone that missed the 2007 and 2008 windows, are eagerly waiting to file. It is estimated that there are a few thousand primary applicants in EB2 alone, each year from 2007 to 2010.
As a result, it is very unlikely that EB3 I will advance apart from its annual allocation of approximately 2800 visas. At the current rate, it will be three years before EB3 I 2002 is cleared, and many more years for the other years. In the meantime, there will be more applicants in EB2 category, thereby preventing your applications from being approved.
The options that lie before you are the passage of CIR, removal of country limits (which again is invariably tied to CIR), porting to EB2. The only option that is within your control is porting.
I would highly suggest that you use that option rather than rely on a change in law - a law that we have seen being dangled before us like a carrot for the past four years.
If you have been given a promotion or even offered one, take that. Contrary to what someone says about not being able to use experience in your current company, that is wrong to a certain extent. Experience in your current company in your current position cannot be used. But, experience in a different position in the same company can be used as experience to your EB2 status.
Take your promotion, and have the employer file a new labor petition. During the I-140 stage, port your EB3 priority date to your EB2 petition, and pretty much your 485 will be approved along with your 140, if not a few weeks after that (provided your PD is current).
Good luck in your porting. If you decide to wait until EB3I becomes current without porting, you are going to wait for a long time. I would suggest that anyone with a PD of Jan 2003+ to start your porting process. For the others, I'd suggest you wait it out as in the time it takes to do the porting, your 485 in EB3 will be approved.
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tonyHK12
02-10 10:41 AM
I have about 9500 miles in Delta.
As StarSun mentioned, we need a volunteer to maintain a spreadsheet of miles, accomodations for matching. Can someone take this up?
Can anyone suggest hotels and/or if already booked can you post those hotel name & locations?
Also, just a suggestion, this thread is getting complicated as far as matching donors with travelers is concerned... May be create a Google spreadsheet with all the donors (miles, accommodations) and match them with travelers from just one central location?
As StarSun mentioned, we need a volunteer to maintain a spreadsheet of miles, accomodations for matching. Can someone take this up?
Can anyone suggest hotels and/or if already booked can you post those hotel name & locations?
Also, just a suggestion, this thread is getting complicated as far as matching donors with travelers is concerned... May be create a Google spreadsheet with all the donors (miles, accommodations) and match them with travelers from just one central location?
qasleuth
05-26 05:50 PM
Clearly dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. we are not talking about a situation like what to do if a thug holds you at gunpoint and asked for money. we talking about a Govt rule or law. it's about what is right and what is wrong. The officer could throw a bad word at you like "i am pretty sure you are terrorist" which would be in our favor. worst case he would shoot me, but chances of that happening are next to zero.
I want to remain silent, raise suspicion, make them scramble to find out who i am, make them feel like working hard only to find out that I have made a fool of them. That's the only way they would realize how stupid the rule is.
Just imagin that Sunday 1000 people had remained silent, they would have to call to their superiors for more officers, more cars, more laptops, documents, more running around, etc. That would have become an issue in the state senate where the budget is already tight, they are fighting for pennies and the nonsense border patrol has spent millions in a day to find NOTHING (because ALL illegals had escapped by saying one word "CITIZEN").
BUT... it needs guts to do that, not sure if you fall in that category.
It has nothing to do with guts but common sense. When a police officer asks for your driving license and registration, would you be silent or even ask for an attorney quoting your rights ? The law clearly states (read my previous post on this thread), within 100 miles of International border, border patrol officer can ask for your immigration status, if you say you are not a citizen (see Desi3933's post as to what can happen if you say you are a citizen when you are not). If you refuse to produce proof, you can be arrested, plain and simple.
I want to remain silent, raise suspicion, make them scramble to find out who i am, make them feel like working hard only to find out that I have made a fool of them. That's the only way they would realize how stupid the rule is.
Just imagin that Sunday 1000 people had remained silent, they would have to call to their superiors for more officers, more cars, more laptops, documents, more running around, etc. That would have become an issue in the state senate where the budget is already tight, they are fighting for pennies and the nonsense border patrol has spent millions in a day to find NOTHING (because ALL illegals had escapped by saying one word "CITIZEN").
BUT... it needs guts to do that, not sure if you fall in that category.
It has nothing to do with guts but common sense. When a police officer asks for your driving license and registration, would you be silent or even ask for an attorney quoting your rights ? The law clearly states (read my previous post on this thread), within 100 miles of International border, border patrol officer can ask for your immigration status, if you say you are not a citizen (see Desi3933's post as to what can happen if you say you are a citizen when you are not). If you refuse to produce proof, you can be arrested, plain and simple.
h1techSlave
03-18 09:49 PM
I think Nixtor should explain why he even bothered to call Mr. Foggs' number. There are many many people in this forum with incorrect phone numbers. Why nixtor is not banning all of them. There is even a member with handle 'taliban'.
I had wrong phone number and other contact details for almost 6 months, before I have updated those fields with correct information. Nobody banned me. Why single out Mr. Foggs?
Here is what you provided on the banned id
Phone number 631-922-xxxx. I called the number and a lady answered. I asked "Is there any one living with last name FOGGS?" The answer is NO. I asked are you sure? She goes mad. I then went on to see the city you provided in MD exists, Google maps has no clue about the city.
There are many non-contributing & contributing members and its entirely your wish to do so or not but IV does not need any distractions. Don't bring in the free speech and 1st amendment now.
May be its fun for you and our friends, its not funny here.
I had wrong phone number and other contact details for almost 6 months, before I have updated those fields with correct information. Nobody banned me. Why single out Mr. Foggs?
Here is what you provided on the banned id
Phone number 631-922-xxxx. I called the number and a lady answered. I asked "Is there any one living with last name FOGGS?" The answer is NO. I asked are you sure? She goes mad. I then went on to see the city you provided in MD exists, Google maps has no clue about the city.
There are many non-contributing & contributing members and its entirely your wish to do so or not but IV does not need any distractions. Don't bring in the free speech and 1st amendment now.
May be its fun for you and our friends, its not funny here.
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